S&M WTF... what the fuck?

I'm sorry to do this to you, but I'm going to embed this. You have my sincere apologies for any skating or skaters that you might see, but this is something:



The S&M WTF. Being over here on the other side of the world I don't have that patriotic little piece of DNA that genetically pre-disposes me to loving everything that S&M do. But I like this. Sure all these ideas aren't going to work. Maybe even none of them will end up as practical, but it's a whole lot of radically different ideas packed into one bike. It'd be cool to ride the thing and see how it feels.

In case you didn't watch the video, here's the run down: The S&M WTF is a complete bike that weighs in at 20lbs without a piece of titanium in sight (and at a guess I'd say without any post-weld heat treatment either). The fork legs are shorter by 1/2". Wtf? To save weight. And the head tube is 5/8" shorter than a standard frame. That's got to really change the geometry of the frame - have they adjusted the BB height and head angle to compensate? Don't know.

Then there's the shorter pitch chain and the sprocket with little miniature teeth to fit the chain! Wtf? Apparently this allows for even smaller drive trains than what's around now. Read: 7 tooth rear driver. It's an interesting idea, but it's going to have to do some serious self-promotion before everyone rushes out for new sprockets, drivers and chains.

Next: The Black hole dropouts on fork and frame. Clearly it'll work on the fork, though I think people will need a little convincing as to the point of it, but on the back end? Wtf? How's that going to work? Really small drive trains with no chain adjustment sounds like chain slap hell to me.

And just for the record, not only does the hub have brass bushings replacing the driver bearings, but there are also little holes drilled in each of the driver teeth. It's all getting very cute.

24 comments:

brien said...

moeller's most elaborate joke yet?

Jeff said...

Yeah, I had to think twice, but there is just too much work gone in. It's all too nicely finished. Isn't it? Is it?

brien said...

HONEYCOMB BARS, DUDE

LameBMX said...

I want the XL slams to hang up in my hallway though.

Guest said...

I got confused about the forks...I think he talks about the area where the legs are welded, not to make the legs shorter. But maybe I'm wrong

brien said...

somewhere, harry leary is laughing

traskVT said...

those Slam XL's at the end were pretty damn funny. I know he showed them on a web video before, but his joke about big bars and bringing them to interbike was genious!

box dog ian said...

don't read 7t driver.  read 36/13 that is the size of a 25/9. since the chain links are closer together it has less trouble wrapping around a small rear cog.  I think that something the size of a normal 7t driver would require reducing the size of the axle under the driver.

Jeff said...

box dog ian,
good point, point taken, over-looked that. but you'd probably be winning some space by using a brass bushing instead of bearings, so you might still be able to get down to a mini 10t driver or something. So is there a general feeling that this isn't a Moeller hoax then?

box dog ian said...

word to the bushings, i kind of forgot that option cropped up.  i think the bars are the moeller joke of the year.  I saw the bike at interbike and i feel like it's too well produced to be a hoax.  they seemed to be genuinely excited about it, at any rate.

Mexican John said...

Hoax or no hoax, who really needs a 20lbs bike? Frames are snapping all over the place because the strength to weight ratio has been over stepped..

Jeff said...

Yeah, way too much design time on that sprocket and fork alone.

Jeff said...

Yeah, it seems like the bottom's been reached weight wise, but some frames are post-weld treated, some aren't, some are internally butted, some aren't. With all the right technology and quality control it might be feasible to keep making frames in the low 4lb's. I haven't personally heard of any S&Ms snapping and the LTF is like 4.3 or 4.4 or something. And that's not even post weld-trreated. It's interesting though, that WTP have gone closer to the 5lb mark for all their new frames.

james wade said...

i personally don't understand all the fuss about light bikes. i wish the industry would find something else to focus on, because all things being held constant, lighter equals weaker.

i don't abuse my bike, but i do give it a bit of a workout. you know, i have these things called pegs, i have four of them, and i do grinds on all of them. and i like jumping over stuff. and sometimes i mess up.

why can't bike companies be sensible about strength and weight, and differentiate on bullshit like fluro colours?

james wade said...

oh and PS - i'm not an old dork that wants to return to 30+ pound bikes. i just want a bike that is functional and lasts somewhere between 12-24 months of solid use.

Jeff said...

Ha ha, James, how you doing? Get salty!

Anonymous said...

they way the trends are going in bmx i wouldnt be suprised seeing some kids sporting the fake xl slam bars... wat happened to days when people had short cut down bars loled

Jeff said...

they'll be back for sure one day. fashion eats itself.

Anonymous said...

titties

thomson said...

just to add something, the hole in the dropout (frame dropout) is an oval, not just a hole, so you can still adjust chain tension.

erenes said...

I just wanted to post about the oval... like some sprocket holes.

S3.5 DONE! said...

$4oo+ for the frame and fork-$300+ for female axles-I'll stick with a frame that is compatible with the hubs I have-I mean...this is BMX not mountainbiking...right?

S3.5 DONE! said...

I agree with the weight thing.Ten years ago,people were doing the same shit on their bikes with 40 pounders.What's next...bikes that automatically jump and do the tricks for you?Take your mother's tit out of your mouths and do some push-ups or something,kids!

Anonymous said...

basically the same, just a little "improvements" could be interesting use hidroforming to get one piece rear end, i mean eliminate some welds, that would increase the strength and reduce weigth.. and increase costs too jajajaja

is a good bike but i dont know if i would like have one

greetings from Mexico!

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